vista general questions

I'm new to all of this, so please excuse my 2 n00b questions:
1) Where do I get the beta? I've just subscribed to TechNet and haven't gotten the first shipment yet (they said 4-6 weeks).
2) Is there a Reader like there is for the XP groups? This URL is what I'm talking about: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/newsgroups/reader.mspx?dg=microsoft.public.windowsxp.general&lang=en&cr=US

1. You can get the beta if you are a tester or an MSDN subscriber. (I don't know what about TechNet subscribers) 2. http://www.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/en-us/default.aspx?dg=microsoft.public.windows.vista.general&cat=en_us_d27abce9-8b42-b7e8-af0f-ec3c418c66c8&lang=en&cr=us or you can browse the newsgroups with Outlook (the newsgroup server's address is msnews.microsoft.com
Regards, Krisztian Milanovics
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I'm new to all of this, so please excuse my 2 n00b questions:
1) Where do I get the beta? I've just subscribed to TechNet and haven't gotten the first shipment yet (they said 4-6 weeks).
2) Is there a Reader like there is for the XP groups? This URL is what I'm talking about: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/newsgroups/reader.mspx?dg=microsoft.public.windowsxp.general&lang=en&cr=US

You should receive the latest build of Windows Vista with your first shipment of TechNET. After which you will receive monthly updates, not necessarily with the latest build, but it should be included.
Here are the instructions to access the .windowsxp.general ngs http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/newsgroupsetup.mspx
After setting up Outlook Express as a news reader, click news groups on the Outlook Express toolbar and type in microsoft.public.windowsxp.general and click subscribe, you will also see other Windows XP newsgroups listed. -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm
"usasma" wrote in message

I'm new to all of this, so please excuse my 2 n00b questions:
1) Where do I get the beta? I've just subscribed to TechNet and haven't gotten the first shipment yet (they said 4-6 weeks).
2) Is there a Reader like there is for the XP groups? This URL is what I'm talking about: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/newsgroups/reader.mspx?dg=microsoft.public.windowsxp.general&lang=en&cr=US

It is now called "Windows Mail" in Vista, not Outlook Express.
--
Regards,
Richard Urban Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
Quote from George Ankner: If you knew as much as you think you know, You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message

You should receive the latest build of Windows Vista with your first shipment of TechNET. After which you will receive monthly updates, not necessarily with the latest build, but it should be included.
Here are the instructions to access the .windowsxp.general ngs http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/newsgroupsetup.mspx
After setting up Outlook Express as a news reader, click news groups on the Outlook Express toolbar and type in microsoft.public.windowsxp.general and click subscribe, you will also see other Windows XP newsgroups listed. -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm
"usasma" wrote in message I'm new to all of this, so please excuse my 2 n00b questions:
1) Where do I get the beta? I've just subscribed to TechNet and haven't gotten the first shipment yet (they said 4-6 weeks).
2) Is there a Reader like there is for the XP groups? This URL is what I'm talking about: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/newsgroups/reader.mspx?dg=microsoft.public.windowsxp.general&lang=en&cr=US

Read Usama's question, I assumed he is running Windows XP. -- -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm "Richard Urban" wrote in message

It is now called "Windows Mail" in Vista, not Outlook Express.
--
Regards,
Richard Urban Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
Quote from George Ankner: If you knew as much as you think you know, You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message You should receive the latest build of Windows Vista with your first shipment of TechNET. After which you will receive monthly updates, not necessarily with the latest build, but it should be included.
Here are the instructions to access the .windowsxp.general ngs http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/newsgroupsetup.mspx
After setting up Outlook Express as a news reader, click news groups on the Outlook Express toolbar and type in microsoft.public.windowsxp.general and click subscribe, you will also see other Windows XP newsgroups listed. -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm
"usasma" wrote in message I'm new to all of this, so please excuse my 2 n00b questions:
1) Where do I get the beta? I've just subscribed to TechNet and haven't gotten the first shipment yet (they said 4-6 weeks).
2) Is there a Reader like there is for the XP groups? This URL is what I'm talking about: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/newsgroups/reader.mspx?dg=microsoft.public.windowsxp.general&lang=en&cr=US

Hey,
Interesting you sometimes miss out the [Extended64] part of your title. : )
"Andre Da Costa" wrote in message

Read Usama's question, I assumed he is running Windows XP. -- -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm "Richard Urban" wrote in message It is now called "Windows Mail" in Vista, not Outlook Express.
--
Regards,
Richard Urban Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
Quote from George Ankner: If you knew as much as you think you know, You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message You should receive the latest build of Windows Vista with your first shipment of TechNET. After which you will receive monthly updates, not necessarily with the latest build, but it should be included.
Here are the instructions to access the .windowsxp.general ngs http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/newsgroupsetup.mspx
After setting up Outlook Express as a news reader, click news groups on the Outlook Express toolbar and type in microsoft.public.windowsxp.general and click subscribe, you will also see other Windows XP newsgroups listed. -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm
"usasma" wrote in message I'm new to all of this, so please excuse my 2 n00b questions:
1) Where do I get the beta? I've just subscribed to TechNet and haven't gotten the first shipment yet (they said 4-6 weeks).
2) Is there a Reader like there is for the XP groups? This URL is what I'm talking about: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/newsgroups/reader.mspx?dg=microsoft.public.windowsxp.general&lang=en&cr=US

i would wait for the next shipment of technet personally, took me 14 hours to download it from microsoft connect, and THAT was only the beginning of the "troubles"
"usasma" wrote in message

I'm new to all of this, so please excuse my 2 n00b questions:
1) Where do I get the beta? I've just subscribed to TechNet and haven't gotten the first shipment yet (they said 4-6 weeks).
2) Is there a Reader like there is for the XP groups? This URL is what I'm talking about: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/newsgroups/reader.mspx?dg=microsoft.public.windowsxp.general&lang=en&cr=US

Thanks to all! I just got the paperwork with my TechNet subscription info on it - I'll cruise the site for it!
FWIW - Still using XPPro - will switch to Vista once I've read up on it a bit. I know that I can view these things in OE (actually, I use Thunderbird) - but I prefer the web interface so that I can keep all my forums and help groups in one place.
- John
bbaker@ilrcsudbury.ca wrote:

i would wait for the next shipment of technet personally, took me 14 hours to download it from microsoft connect, and THAT was only the beginning of the "troubles"
"usasma" wrote in message I'm new to all of this, so please excuse my 2 n00b questions:
1) Where do I get the beta? I've just subscribed to TechNet and haven't gotten the first shipment yet (they said 4-6 weeks).
2) Is there a Reader like there is for the XP groups? This URL is what I'm talking about: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/newsgroups/reader.mspx?dg=microsoft.public.windowsxp.general&lang=en&cr=US

Make sure you assign a minimum of 15 GBs to the partition you to install it on. For a good experience 512 MBs of RAM or more, Vista loves RAM Back up any important data you have before installing Burn the ISO to a disk and install it, its the best way to install Vista -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm
"usasma" wrote in message

Thanks to all! I just got the paperwork with my TechNet subscription info on it - I'll cruise the site for it!
FWIW - Still using XPPro - will switch to Vista once I've read up on it a bit. I know that I can view these things in OE (actually, I use Thunderbird) - but I prefer the web interface so that I can keep all my forums and help groups in one place.
- John
bbaker@ilrcsudbury.ca wrote: i would wait for the next shipment of technet personally, took me 14 hours to download it from microsoft connect, and THAT was only the beginning of the "troubles"
"usasma" wrote in message I'm new to all of this, so please excuse my 2 n00b questions:
1) Where do I get the beta? I've just subscribed to TechNet and haven't gotten the first shipment yet (they said 4-6 weeks).
2) Is there a Reader like there is for the XP groups? This URL is what I'm talking about: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/newsgroups/reader.mspx?dg=microsoft.public.windowsxp.general&lang=en&cr=US

ABSOLUTE MINIMUM 512mb, people are reporting this to be not enough though it will load on a system with this little ram
build 5270 barely ran at all when i only had 1 gb of dual channle ram, now it runs ok, with 2 gbs dual channle ram.
the code in this build has not been performance optimised yet. even in a system with amazing specs you will be surprised at how slowly this os can run. at times it can be quite responsive, much of the time you wont have such luck things will get better and better though as new builds come out, but still not sure what the actual system load will be.




"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message

Make sure you assign a minimum of 15 GBs to the partition you to install it on. For a good experience 512 MBs of RAM or more, Vista loves RAM Back up any important data you have before installing Burn the ISO to a disk and install it, its the best way to install Vista -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm
"usasma" wrote in message Thanks to all! I just got the paperwork with my TechNet subscription info on it - I'll cruise the site for it!
FWIW - Still using XPPro - will switch to Vista once I've read up on it a bit. I know that I can view these things in OE (actually, I use Thunderbird) - but I prefer the web interface so that I can keep all my forums and help groups in one place.
- John
bbaker@ilrcsudbury.ca wrote: i would wait for the next shipment of technet personally, took me 14 hours to download it from microsoft connect, and THAT was only the beginning of the "troubles"
"usasma" wrote in message I'm new to all of this, so please excuse my 2 n00b questions:
1) Where do I get the beta? I've just subscribed to TechNet and haven't gotten the first shipment yet (they said 4-6 weeks).
2) Is there a Reader like there is for the XP groups? This URL is what I'm talking about: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/newsgroups/reader.mspx?dg=microsoft.public.windowsxp.general&lang=en&cr=US

I would consider to be a bare minimum. -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm
wrote in message

ABSOLUTE MINIMUM 512mb, people are reporting this to be not enough though it will load on a system with this little ram
build 5270 barely ran at all when i only had 1 gb of dual channle ram, now it runs ok, with 2 gbs dual channle ram.
the code in this build has not been performance optimised yet. even in a system with amazing specs you will be surprised at how slowly this os can run. at times it can be quite responsive, much of the time you wont have such luck things will get better and better though as new builds come out, but still not sure what the actual system load will be.




"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message Make sure you assign a minimum of 15 GBs to the partition you to install it on. For a good experience 512 MBs of RAM or more, Vista loves RAM Back up any important data you have before installing Burn the ISO to a disk and install it, its the best way to install Vista -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm
"usasma" wrote in message Thanks to all! I just got the paperwork with my TechNet subscription info on it - I'll cruise the site for it!
FWIW - Still using XPPro - will switch to Vista once I've read up on it a bit. I know that I can view these things in OE (actually, I use Thunderbird) - but I prefer the web interface so that I can keep all my forums and help groups in one place.
- John
bbaker@ilrcsudbury.ca wrote: i would wait for the next shipment of technet personally, took me 14 hours to download it from microsoft connect, and THAT was only the beginning of the "troubles"
"usasma" wrote in message I'm new to all of this, so please excuse my 2 n00b questions:
1) Where do I get the beta? I've just subscribed to TechNet and haven't gotten the first shipment yet (they said 4-6 weeks).
2) Is there a Reader like there is for the XP groups? This URL is what I'm talking about: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/newsgroups/reader.mspx?dg=microsoft.public.windowsxp.general&lang=en&cr=US

Different Computers. :) -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm
<Nicholas> wrote in message

Hey,
Interesting you sometimes miss out the [Extended64] part of your title. : )
"Andre Da Costa" wrote in message Read Usama's question, I assumed he is running Windows XP. -- -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm "Richard Urban" wrote in message It is now called "Windows Mail" in Vista, not Outlook Express.
--
Regards,
Richard Urban Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
Quote from George Ankner: If you knew as much as you think you know, You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message You should receive the latest build of Windows Vista with your first shipment of TechNET. After which you will receive monthly updates, not necessarily with the latest build, but it should be included.
Here are the instructions to access the .windowsxp.general ngs http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/newsgroupsetup.mspx
After setting up Outlook Express as a news reader, click news groups on the Outlook Express toolbar and type in microsoft.public.windowsxp.general and click subscribe, you will also see other Windows XP newsgroups listed. -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm
"usasma" wrote in message I'm new to all of this, so please excuse my 2 n00b questions:
1) Where do I get the beta? I've just subscribed to TechNet and haven't gotten the first shipment yet (they said 4-6 weeks).
2) Is there a Reader like there is for the XP groups? This URL is what I'm talking about: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/newsgroups/reader.mspx?dg=microsoft.public.windowsxp.general&lang=en&cr=US

Now I know why I'm sometimes NL Ward and Nancy Ward! Hadn't clicked at all.
-- Nancy Ward MSN Messenger MVP
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message

Different Computers. :) -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm
Nicholas> wrote in message Hey,
Interesting you sometimes miss out the [Extended64] part of your title. : )
"Andre Da Costa" wrote in message Read Usama's question, I assumed he is running Windows XP. -- -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm "Richard Urban" wrote in message It is now called "Windows Mail" in Vista, not Outlook Express.
--
Regards,
Richard Urban Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
Quote from George Ankner: If you knew as much as you think you know, You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message You should receive the latest build of Windows Vista with your first shipment of TechNET. After which you will receive monthly updates, not necessarily with the latest build, but it should be included.
Here are the instructions to access the .windowsxp.general ngs http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/newsgroupsetup.mspx
After setting up Outlook Express as a news reader, click news groups on the Outlook Express toolbar and type in microsoft.public.windowsxp.general and click subscribe, you will also see other Windows XP newsgroups listed. -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm
"usasma" wrote in message I'm new to all of this, so please excuse my 2 n00b questions:
1) Where do I get the beta? I've just subscribed to TechNet and haven't gotten the first shipment yet (they said 4-6 weeks).
2) Is there a Reader like there is for the XP groups? This URL is what I'm talking about: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/newsgroups/reader.mspx?dg=microsoft.public.windowsxp.general&lang=en&cr=US

Sheesh! You're the first one I've ever seen who prefers web based forums!
-- Nancy Ward MSN Messenger MVP
"usasma" wrote in message

Thanks to all! I just got the paperwork with my TechNet subscription info on it - I'll cruise the site for it!
FWIW - Still using XPPro - will switch to Vista once I've read up on it a bit. I know that I can view these things in OE (actually, I use Thunderbird) - but I prefer the web interface so that I can keep all my forums and help groups in one place.
- John
bbaker@ilrcsudbury.ca wrote: i would wait for the next shipment of technet personally, took me 14 hours to download it from microsoft connect, and THAT was only the beginning of the "troubles"
"usasma" wrote in message I'm new to all of this, so please excuse my 2 n00b questions:
1) Where do I get the beta? I've just subscribed to TechNet and haven't gotten the first shipment yet (they said 4-6 weeks).
2) Is there a Reader like there is for the XP groups? This URL is what I'm talking about: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/newsgroups/reader.mspx?dg=microsoft.public.windowsxp.general&lang=en&cr=US

Vista runs great on my 2.4 GHz CPU with 1 GB dual channel RAM.
-- Nancy Ward MSN Messenger MVP
wrote in message

ABSOLUTE MINIMUM 512mb, people are reporting this to be not enough though it will load on a system with this little ram
build 5270 barely ran at all when i only had 1 gb of dual channle ram, now it runs ok, with 2 gbs dual channle ram.
the code in this build has not been performance optimised yet. even in a system with amazing specs you will be surprised at how slowly this os can run. at times it can be quite responsive, much of the time you wont have such luck things will get better and better though as new builds come out, but still not sure what the actual system load will be.




"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message Make sure you assign a minimum of 15 GBs to the partition you to install it on. For a good experience 512 MBs of RAM or more, Vista loves RAM Back up any important data you have before installing Burn the ISO to a disk and install it, its the best way to install Vista -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm
"usasma" wrote in message Thanks to all! I just got the paperwork with my TechNet subscription info on it - I'll cruise the site for it!
FWIW - Still using XPPro - will switch to Vista once I've read up on it a bit. I know that I can view these things in OE (actually, I use Thunderbird) - but I prefer the web interface so that I can keep all my forums and help groups in one place.
- John
bbaker@ilrcsudbury.ca wrote: i would wait for the next shipment of technet personally, took me 14 hours to download it from microsoft connect, and THAT was only the beginning of the "troubles"
"usasma" wrote in message I'm new to all of this, so please excuse my 2 n00b questions:
1) Where do I get the beta? I've just subscribed to TechNet and haven't gotten the first shipment yet (they said 4-6 weeks).
2) Is there a Reader like there is for the XP groups? This URL is what I'm talking about: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/newsgroups/reader.mspx?dg=microsoft.public.windowsxp.general&lang=en&cr=US

Its so difficult to maintain profiles across mutiple PCs Nancy. :( -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm
"NLWard" wrote in message

Now I know why I'm sometimes NL Ward and Nancy Ward! Hadn't clicked at all.
-- Nancy Ward MSN Messenger MVP
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message Different Computers. :) -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm
Nicholas> wrote in message Hey,
Interesting you sometimes miss out the [Extended64] part of your title. : )
"Andre Da Costa" wrote in message Read Usama's question, I assumed he is running Windows XP. -- -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm "Richard Urban" wrote in message It is now called "Windows Mail" in Vista, not Outlook Express.
--
Regards,
Richard Urban Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
Quote from George Ankner: If you knew as much as you think you know, You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message You should receive the latest build of Windows Vista with your first shipment of TechNET. After which you will receive monthly updates, not necessarily with the latest build, but it should be included.
Here are the instructions to access the .windowsxp.general ngs http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/newsgroupsetup.mspx
After setting up Outlook Express as a news reader, click news groups on the Outlook Express toolbar and type in microsoft.public.windowsxp.general and click subscribe, you will also see other Windows XP newsgroups listed. -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm
"usasma" wrote in message I'm new to all of this, so please excuse my 2 n00b questions:
1) Where do I get the beta? I've just subscribed to TechNet and haven't gotten the first shipment yet (they said 4-6 weeks).
2) Is there a Reader like there is for the XP groups? This URL is what I'm talking about: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/newsgroups/reader.mspx?dg=microsoft.public.windowsxp.general&lang=en&cr=US